Interview with Dr. Marc Gafni and Barbara Marx Hubbard
On March 21st, 2017 Maureen Metcalf hosted a show on VoiceAmerica.com called “Navigating a Smear Campaign” where she interviewed Dr. Marc Gafni and Barbara Marx Hubbard. This was an episode of her weekly show called “Innovative Leaders Driving Thriving Organizations” that she hosts every Tuesday at 11 AM Pacific Time on the VoiceAmerica Business Channel.
From the episode description (with Center for Integral Wisdom Founder and President Marc Gafni & CIW Co-Board Chair and President of the Foundation for Conscious Evolution Barbara Marx Hubbard):
One of the most dangerous problems we face in the world is extremism on behalf of belief. In many cases, extremists convince themselves that another faith or political system or individual is ‘evil’, and that they are justified in destroying them by any means necessary. During this conversation, Maureen we will talk to Marc Gafni and Barbara Marx Hubbard about the smear campaign Marc and the Center for Integral Wisdom. What emerged was a much more hopeful conversation. They are modeling the behaviors they teach as they confront this challenge and they are working to leverage what would for others be a crippling crisis and share with others the culture of collaboration and unique contribution to a conscious world. They are talking about an evolution of our culture! For me this is a story of personal resilience and how they used a crisis to precede transformation. They were both required to model the concepts they were teaching in a very personal way and they are here to share their story.
In a first blog-post on the VoiceAmerica Blog Site that deals with the specifics of the Marc Gafni Smear as well as the overarching issues, she writes:
One of my favorite phrases from Marc and the Center is: “We are guided by the deep knowing that the only response to outrageous pain is outrageous love. Outrageous love expresses itself as outrageous activism, joy and responsibility in both our personal and collective lives.”
We, as a society, use the word love differently and, often, far too flippantly. My belief is that the best antidote to the pain, fear, and hurt many people on our planet are facing is the action inspired by hope and love. To many people, “hope” and “love” may sound like “soft” words until you are called to put them into action. There is nothing “soft” about standing by a principle you value at the risk of your livelihood. Yet, for many of us, this is exactly what we need to do to live in a just society. Our military members take a stand for a free country and they defend it with their lives. They defend principles. Each of us is called, as well, to stand by our principles.